The Great Notionalist and the Great Metaphysician meet on the timeless Italian square, and both of them profess different views on the world and attitudes towards it and the processes taking place in it. A dispute is unfolding between the Notionalist and the Metaphysician: one claims that part of the dark energy is quanta of time, and time itself should be considered not as a fourth dimension, but as physical, material particles. The other insists that there is no time as such, it is invented by man and is only a tool for perceiving reality.